[MrDeeds]

Originally posted by The Night

Just SOME articles that I briefly found

1 Jakarta Hotel Bombings: A Look at Insider Threats and the Targeting of Western Executives
2 Suicide Bomber Attacks Packed Indonesian Church
3 Bombing at Marriott in Jakarta Kills 13
4The July 17 Jakarta Suicide Attacks and the Death of Noordin Top (on july 17, 2009, two suicide bombers struck the JW Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels in Jakarta)

I hope when you get banned, you write the mods back about freedom.

[dannylex]

Originally posted by The Night

I dont even care about you religion , a religion that has caused millions of deaths and is still causing tons of pain and sadness.

Are you SERIOUSLY trying to convince me to even spent a second on your messed up , abysmally stupid religion ? Are y SERIOUSLY trying to convince me that it is right to commit bomb suicide , cause of your BELIEFS ? NO FAKING HUMAN being has the right to tell you what to do .

Your freedom ends where the next person's freedom begins .
Freedom has limits doesnt mean that you cant attend a concert . See how narrow minded your religion made you . Its SO pathetic . you are implying that there sud be limited freedom when it comes to dressing up or saying wht you want ? are u ?SERIOUSLY ?!

The amount of ignorance in this post.

[Shapes]

Originally posted by MrDeeds

I hope when you get banned, you write the mods back about freedom.

The ultimate kii

[Inverted]

Completely pathetic. Indonesia is supposed to be a secular country and a concert can't take place? Where are her fans complaining? Why are Asians always so cooperative and never speak out?

And The Night, look at the majority religion in your own country and the global history of it. You are no position to talk about "millions of death" and "pain and sadness."

[J a y]

Originally posted by The Night

where exactly did you locate my ignorance ?

You're being offensive?

Instead of expressing your view on the above subject, you have directed yourself into a state of ignorance whereby you are judging a whole country, a whole religion, their beliefs, and even had the nerve to bring up past actions between countries which are extremely insensitive. You don't have to be so direct and frankly idiotic about the way you say things

[The Night]

Originally posted by Bahjat

I swear , this last line you said made me know that you're just a stubborn person who would try to do anything to prove his self right.

I'm not off topic hun , you talked about bombs. I did not , in any word say that I said it's okay as long as you do it for pay back .

Actually , that's what YOU are saying .

And what is the US , they are mostly Christians , so it's not off subject .


Did you see what I wrote? 1.5 MILLION INNOCENT Muslims were killed by Israel .

We're still the worst right?

Those 151,000 innocent Muslims that died in Iraq are nothing , right .. I mean it's still their fault that somebody killed them , right?

Stop following what the TV says boy , you know nothing .

Im not talking about them terrorising other countries , Im talking about them commiting bomb suicide . Why do u so conveniently avoid to comment on that in every post ?

[Bahjat]

Before they close this thread , if they did .


I did not mean to insult anybody , and I think that I picked my words carefully , not to hurt anyone .

If I did , forgive me , I'm just a 16 year old guy who's still learning more and more about his Religion .

And it's not easy to defend something with like 10 people attacking you .

And if anyone is mad at me or at my beliefs , go a head , report me , like I give a darn about it .

I'm proud of my religion and no one can change that , and if your beliefs are build up from TV and internet , you really need to learn a little .

Again , meant NO offence to anyone .

[Bahjat]

Originally posted by The Night

Im not talking about them terrorising other countries , Im talking about them commiting bomb suicide . Why do u so conveniently avoid to comment on that in every post ?

Oh sorry , I forgot that terror is different from a Country to another .


Do you even know what Islam says about those who do so ?

We're constantly reminded to NOT hurt innocent people . even at war , we're said not to touch a woman , an old man , a kid , or anyone who didn't come to kill you .

For the 1,000th time , GO LEARN .

[jinzo]

This thread...

:giantbiblio:

People do need to learn about the core fundamentals of Islam, not the core fundamentals of Jihadism.

I'm still not convinced they're cancelling the show. I'll wait for official confirmation.

[L.B GAGA]

Originally posted by The Night

I dont even care what his/her beliefs are. I am just presenting facts.

Those being :

Bomb suicides
Extremist measures
Disrespect to women and homosexuals.
Disrespect to ANY other cultural beliefs.


I dont need him/her to tell me whether their practise is wrong or right...

its just most of the followers just alike with others in Christianity and other religions who don't get that as time passes what was considered custom by people from ancient eras is now considered either vile or acceptable.
Example some religions accept war,rape and slavery but today you find no constitution that upholds that belief,i'd say we have selective religious people today(i do what i feel is right from the book but ignore the vicious one-which translates to hypocrisy)and in this case Indonesia is secular which means no religion has the right to force their personal beliefs on others
Its simple logic in the making of a democratic nation today such books do not qualify as guiding principles for forming a democracy or secular views as there is a diversity in each part of the world and nation and every one has a right to their views unless it steps on others freedoms and life.This concert was cancelled for GAGA'S PROTECTION and safety And not cause of the religious extremists,if anything happened to her you can imagine the huge backlash to the country and tourism sector.

[J a y]

Originally posted by L.B GAGA

its just most of the followers just alike with others in Christianity and other religions who don't get that as time passes what was considered custom by people from ancient eras is now considered either vile or acceptable.
Example some religions accept war,rape and slavery but today you find no constitution that upholds that belief,i'd say we have selective religious people today(i do what i feel is right from the book but ignore the vicious one-which translates to hypocrisy)and in this case Indonesia is secular which means no religion has the right to force their personal beliefs on others
Its simple logic in the making of a democratic nation today such books do not qualify as guiding principles for forming a democracy or secular views as there is a diversity in each part of the world and nation and every one has a right to their views unless it steps on others freedoms and life.This concert was cancelled for GAGA'S PROTECTION and safety And not cause of the religious extremists,if anything happened to her you can imagine the huge backlash to the country and tourism sector.

[The Night]

Originally posted by L.B GAGA

its just most of the followers just alike with others in Christianity and other religions who don't get that as time passes what was considered custom by people from ancient eras is now considered either vile or acceptable.
Example some religions accept war,rape and slavery but today you find no constitution that upholds that belief,i'd say we have selective religious people today(i do what i feel is right from the book but ignore the vicious one-which translates to hypocrisy)and in this case Indonesia is secular which means no religion has the right to force their personal beliefs on others
Its simple logic in the making of a democratic nation today such books do not qualify as guiding principles for forming a democracy or secular views as there is a diversity in each part of the world and nation and every one has a right to their views unless it steps on others freedoms and life.This concert was cancelled for GAGA'S PROTECTION and safety And not cause of the religious extremists,if anything happened to her you can imagine the huge backlash to the country and tourism sector.

If you read my previous posts , u will see that I was focusing on the beliefs EXTREMIST RELIGIOUS GROUPS have and the practices they use . I clearly said that I wasnt talking about his/her beliefs . I wasnt attacking the religion or the whole country, lol.

[Sapphire]

my second guessing...

I think about the promotor itself is building the issue for creating the hype (even for the international news)
by the time comes it will have ran smoothly

[Bahjat]

Originally posted by The Night

If you read my previous posts , u will see that I was focusing on the beliefs EXTREMIST RELIGIOUS GROUPS have and the practices they use . I clearly said that I wasnt talking about his/her beliefs . I wasnt attacking the religion or the whole country, lol.

So when I answer your question , you ignore it , when I don't , you whine about me ignoring it?

[The Night]

Originally posted by Bahjat

So when I answer your question , you ignore it , when I don't , you whine about me ignoring it?

You didnt ask me any question tho . U told me to go learn ..

What was the question ?

[Bahjat]

Originally posted by The Night

You didnt ask me any question tho . U told me to go learn ..

What was the question ?

So that's all you have to say about it ?

No apology? no saying you were wrong?


Oh well .

[L.B GAGA]

Originally posted by The Night

If you read my previous posts , u will see that I was focusing on the beliefs EXTREMIST RELIGIOUS GROUPS have and the practices they use . I clearly said that I wasnt talking about his/her beliefs . I wasnt attacking the religion or the whole country, lol.

i am not discrediting you but i think you let emotions take the better part of you. You had some points but with others you sound biased and misinformed on some topics.

[Shapes]

Originally posted by L.B GAGA

i am not discrediting you but i think you let emotions take the better part of you. You had some points but with others you sound biased and misinformed on some topics.

No, all of his points were insensitive, and some even racist.

I hope that The Night learns that you need to be educated on a topic before you debate with grown-ups.

[The Night]

Originally posted by Shapes

No, all of his points were insensitive, and some even racist.

I hope that The Night learns that you need to be educated on a topic before you debate with grown-ups.

you are trying too hard to discredit my points. try a bit harder.


EDIT : And I still dont get why where some of my points racist ?

[IVY]

it's their country and they can do whatever they want, no one has the right to judge any religion,if gaga wants to dance half naked on stage and do whatever she wants as a part of freedom or being born this way,then she should know at the same time that not everyone accepts what she's been promoting and they aren't being closed minded,it's just what they believe in.