[Praise Mariallah]

Originally posted by Ace Reject

Wait.

You all actually decided Mariah's signature song was Without You?

How WRONG can you be?

Everyone sumbitted their votes throughout the pages of this thread, and NO ONE voted for "Without You". I don't know how Rolland decided that. I don't want to believe there might have been some foul play involved, but I just counted back and "Hero" & "Fantasy" received the most votes.

No one here uses "Without You"

[Rolland]

Originally posted by Praise Mariallah

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You know what's funny? According to Duca and his mediatraffic receipts, "Without You" wasn't a #1 WW song, but WBT was

Regardless, "Without You" isn't her most famous song or most remembered song. Despite it not being #1 in the UK, "Hero" is more remembered and her best seller there. Despite being a flop pretty much everywhere else, in Brazil her most remembered song is undisputedly, "I Want To Know What Love Is" which was #1 for six months. "All I Want For Christmas" charts pretty much everywhere, every year, and is probably her most "famous song".

I'm looking @ Kworb's WW iTunes chart, and she has songs charting right now in Malaysia, Bulgaria, Romania, Portugal, Hong Kong, etc none of which are "Without You".

I refuse to go through with this mess. I saw no votes for "Without You". Am starting to believe some foul play MIGHT have been involved.

Originally posted by Praise Mariallah

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Everyone sumbitted their votes throughout the pages of this thread, and NO ONE voted for "Without You". I don't know how Rolland decided that. I don't want to believe there might have been some foul play involved, but I just counted back and "Hero" & "Fantasy" received the most votes.

No one here uses "Without You"

Jesus, so much drama over a song.
Okey, first of all, maybe you didn't read the instructions for this countdown. So here they are again.

So, this is where I need your help to choose the right song for each of these girls. Take into account that this is about the song that represents the singer the most and the best. I will start posting 3 artists per day, for you all to discuss which is the right song for each girl.However, this is not a rate, the number of mentions will not determine whether the song gets elected or not.So you all have to explain why "x" song should be chosen for each artist.

Also, I think you will get surprised once you see WY is the one with the highest peaks of them all in the biggest markets. That's why I chose that song to represent Mariah. It may not be a classic in the States but it is outside of there.

Peaks

Without You

Country	Peak Position
AUS	3
CAN	2
FRA	2
GER	1
US	3
UK	1
SPA	-
ITA	-

Hero

Country	Peak Position
AUS	7
CAN	3
FRA	5
GER	41
US	1
UK	7
SPA	-
ITA	-

All I Want For Christmas is You

Country	Peak Position
AUS	2
CAN	-
FRA	-
GER	14
US	83
UK	2
SPA	13
ITA	1

Fantasy

Country	Peak Position
AUS	1
CAN	1
FRA	5
GER	12
US	1
UK	4
SPA	-
ITA	9

We Belong Together

Country	Peak Position
AUS	1
CAN	*
FRA	12
GER	11
US	1
UK	2
SPA	3
ITA	15

[Praise Mariallah]

Originally posted by Rolland

Jesus, so much drama over a song.
Okey, first of all, maybe you didn't read the instructions for this countdown. So here they are again.


Also, I think you will get surprised once you see WY is the one with the highest peaks of them all in the biggest markets. That's why I chose that song to represent Mariah. It may not be a classic in the States but it is outside of there.

Peaks

Without You


Hero


All I Want For Christmas is You


Fantasy


We Belong Together

You're saying this like I don't already know how successful the song was, yet and still it's the least remembered of all the songs you posted. And AIWFC IS more successful considering it charts every year, and sold 10M physical copies.

You're saying you chose WY because it's "Mariah's most successful song" (It isn't everywhere), but you didn't choose the "most successful song" for each of the other girls, you went by votes

Transparent. I'm done though.

[Rolland]

Originally posted by Praise Mariallah

You're saying this like I don't already know how successful the song was, yet and still it's the least remembered of all the songs you posted. And AIWFC IS more successful considering it charts every year, and sold 10M physical copies.

You're saying you chose WY because it's "Mariah's most successful song" (It isn't everywhere), but you didn't choose the "most successful song" for each of the other girls, you went by votes

Transparent. I'm done though.

You do the absolute most. Transparent? It isn't that serious, it's just a countdown. Come on. Why would I want to prejudice Mariah? If anything I did this to help her. The scores she has received so far are actually really good.

Which would have been a better option then?

And no, I didn't go by votes for any of the girls. It was all based on the same.

[Praise Mariallah]

Originally posted by Rolland

You do the absolute most. Transparent? It isn't that serious, it's just a countdown. Come on. Why would I want to sabotage prejudice Mariah? If anything I did this to help her. The scores she has received so far are actually really good.

Which would have been a better option then?

And no, I didn't go by votes for any of the girls. It was all based on the same.

Without You is just plain is all. I barely use, and I'm a stan

WBT, Fantasy, or Dreamlover (even Hero) would've all been better options

[tcweh]

Originally posted by Praise Mariallah

Without You is just plain is all. I barely use, and I'm a stan

WBT, Fantasy, or Dreamlover (even Hero) would've all been better options

If we are going by her signature hit then it's either Hero or AIWFCIY, those 2 are her definite hits. I sorta don't understand the whole Without You thing either..Oh well

[Rolland]

Originally posted by Praise Mariallah

Without You is just plain is all. I barely use, and I'm a stan

WBT, Fantasy, or Dreamlover (even Hero) would've all been better options

Should we change to We Belong Together?
I think we should. I'm curious about how different the scores would be, especially with users out of the states.



Edit. Okey, now it's WBT. Let's see how much it changes.

[Praise Mariallah]

Originally posted by Rolland

Should we change to We Belong Together?
I think we should. I'm curious about how different the scores would be, especially with users out of the states.



Edit. Okey, now it's WBT. Let's see how much it changes.

Considering the fact that most of the foreign users on here come from Australia, and the UK & WBT was #1 and #2 (18 weeks) in those places respectively, I'm sure it will do extrememly well. WBT was a very popular and successful song WW in 2005, not to mention it's pretty much the most overrated Mariah song on this forum full of 18 n unders.

Am going to send my evaluation in a minute.

EDIT:

You'll have to send your evaluations via PM (to me). What do you have to do? You'll evaluate the status of them all. What I mean by status? well, as I previously stablished. You'll be judging how iconic the song itself is. How memorable it is until today. The impact it had in pop culture and how it has aged.

Hero or All I Want For Christmas should replace WBT.

[conseeded]

When will the next phase start?

[Rolland]

3rd Phase:
(Current phase)

The time for the countdown has come. Now that your evaluations were sent and averaged. The highest possible score a song can get is 50. This score will be combined with another score. The Chart Performance Score. How does it work? Well, if a song hit the top 10 in any of the charts from the 10 biggest music markets it gets points. Here's a table to explain it better: Note. Markets (US, UK, JAP, GER, ITA, FRA, CAN, AUS, BRA, SPA)

But, since there were no official charts for Brasil and Japan back in the day or database. They were separated from the rest of the countries. So, the method explained above in the table only aplies for eight of the ten countries. For Japan and Brasil the points will be given the next way:

So, the highest score a song can get is 85.

The final score will be a combination of the average score given by ATRL users and the CP score. The score given by you all will represent the 90% of the final score while the CP score will represent the 10% remaining.

All of this has already been calculated and the positions will get announced soon. Maybe today or tomorrow. Let me tell you all something. Big meltdowns are coming, be ready.

[Rolland]

No. 40
Cheryl Cole - Fight For This Love

Fight for This Love is a song by the british beauty Cheryl Cole, from her debut studio album, 3 Words. A catchy, kind of basic, yet cute up-tempo R&B-styled pop song that helped her to get some recognition outside of the UK. Offered to her in the voice of a man as a demo. She managed to create a cute little song that we all still sing-along to this day.

Score:
29.31

[madonnas]

Good idea for last place.

[conseeded]

It's a nice song, but it's a deserving place.

[MP2K]

Oh I missed the voting.

[supaspaz]

I love the idea of combining chart performance and impact!

But maybe you should give songs points for reaching #1, top five, top ten, top twenty, etc. instead of just for different positions in the top ten?

[YSL]

Not even bothered.

[theppy]

I Do not know that woman

But i'm Exited to watch the list going up.

[MJ Boston]

A fine fit for #40 tbh.

[Rolland]

Who will be the first big name to appear?
I guarantee you all big meltdowns are coming.

Originally posted by supaspaz

I love the idea of combining chart performance and impact!

But maybe you should give songs points for reaching #1, top five, top ten, top twenty, etc. instead of just for different positions in the top ten?

Could be. But most of them hit the top 10 in the charts. So, it wouldn't really make a difference.

[theppy]

Originally posted by supaspaz

I love the idea of combining chart performance and impact!

But maybe you should give songs points for reaching #1, top five, top ten, top twenty, etc. instead of just for different positions in the top ten?

i think the positions and everything are already done.